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No, Obama, I Won’t Condemn ISIL


On Sunday, Barack Obama announced that the U.S. had begun bombing Syria, the seventh Muslim majority state to be targeted in his six year term. Today, Obama gave a green light to Islamophobes all over the world with his UN speech.

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Mid-way through the speech Obama claimed “it is time for the world — especially Muslim communities — to explicitly, forcefully, and consistently reject the ideology of al Qaeda and ISIL.” Especially Muslim communities.

By claiming Muslims have a special duty to speak out against ISIL, Obama granted non-Muslims with the perceived right to go about forcing Muslims to prove that they’re “loyal” and “moderate.” In doing so, Obama further legitimized mass discrimination against, and suspicion of, Muslims in America and the world at large. This suspicion comes without any reasonable motivator, as most of the more than 1.6 billion Muslims have no control over, or connection to, ISIL.

Obama’s request for condemnation also mistakenly gives the public the impression that Muslims haven’t been condemning ISIL. In fact, Muslims all over the world came out in absolute condemnation of ISIL long before Obama asked them too. Leading Islamic scholars have formed an overwhelming consensus rejecting any theological basis for ISIL’s actions. Muslim states that are typically enemies have managed to unite, to some extent, in their opposition to ISIL. This is not to say that discrimination against Muslims would be justified if we hadn’t been active in condemning ISIL. Yet it does show that Obama is dangerously negligent of the response to ISIL.

This xenophobic baiting has serious consequences for Muslims, who are faced with alarming rates of hate crimes. This is especially true after Muslim outliers commit some sort of violent act that generates public fear and anger. For example, 39 separate incidents of discrimination were reported to a British group monitoring anti-Islamic hate crimes in the three days after ISIL killed British aid worker David Haines. Moreover, hate crimes against Muslims in America rose by 1600 per cent after 9/11.

ISIL’s recent actions, in combination with the ongoing crackdowns on suspected radicals in Western nations, creates the exact sort of climate where hate crimes thrive. Obama was likely well aware of this when he made his problematic request for Muslim condemnation of ISIL. Any future statement Obama makes opposing hate crimes – that are now sure to happen, though they have been already – is meaningless, as he is complicit in them.

Obama’s request, and disregard for the damage it will cause, becomes even more disturbing when looking at his track record with regard to Muslims, especially in the Middle East. As one Twitter user pointed out, “The West has been ‘solving’ problems in the Mideast since at least WWI & every ‘solution’ has been the cause of the next disaster.” The U.S. propped up Saddam Hussein as he slaughtered Iraqis, and then overthrew him, shattering Iraq in the process, over a pack of lies.  America empowered Nouri al-Maliki and funded him as he oppressed Sunnis. This led almost directly to IS’ emergence according to many experts.

Obama cannot be blamed for his predecessor’s actions, but his own actions in the region have only made the issue worse. Therefore, Obama has far more explaining to do in regard to ISIL than almost any individual Muslim. This is especially true since ISIL’s victims are largely Muslim. Muslims don’t need non-Muslims to tell them that a group primarily killing Muslims deserves to be condemned. But they do deserve an explanation from figures involved in fostering the conditions for this group’s emergence.

As such, I call on Muslims to ignore Obama’s request for further condemnation. Muslims have already made their stance on ISIL clear, and those who don’t believe it likely never will. If any attention is to be given to those who demand condemnation from Muslims, it should be in order to turn the tables. To point out that supporting foreign policy like Obama’s creates more complicity in ISIL’s emergence than simply calling oneself Muslim. This is the conversation that needs to be had, and Muslims should insist that it takes place.

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    • Zaid S

      A lot of Muslims are hesitant to even talk about ISIS because they don’t want to be perceived as apologists. Of course sane Muslims shouldn’t be apologizing for ISIS’ actions. But saying that Muslims shouldn’t even denounce ISIS just because Obama said they should is extremely overcompensating. Muslims need to publicly condemn ISIS in order to prevent members of the community from being fooled by ISIS’ propaganda. We can’t lie to ourselves about that happening. ISIS is successfully recruiting people from all over the world. Because of this, Muslims need to denounce ISIS. Not to put on a show for the West, but to educate fellow Muslims and because ISIS is evil. In that sense every Muslim has a connection with ISIS. If Muslims don’t speak out against ISIS, that leaves non-Muslim Western powers to speak for us. That’s just weak.

      I’m just a random dude and I’m nowhere near as credible as scholars who dedicate their lives to studying the the Quran and Sunnah, but this is one of the few hadiths I know by heart:
      Muhammad (PBUH) said: “Whoever among you sees an evil action, let him change it with his hand [by taking action]; if he cannot, then with his tongue [by speaking out]; and if he cannot, then with his heart [by hating it and feeling that it is wrong] – and that is the weakest of faith.”

      • Rin

        Well said.

      • v. jabotinsky

        If I disagree or dislike or find something abhorrent, that’s strictly MY business. I should not have to do a public mea culpa to prove anything to anyone.

      • Sacdiyo Liiban

        Anyone who
        Is fighting for the sake of Allah Im standing tall next to him cuz Allah said;
        Stand out firmly for Allah and be just witnesses and let not the enmity and hatred of others make you avoid justice. And I believe ISIL is doin the right thin may allah be with them all whereever they are snd who ever they fight against..

        Noo.. Istead of telling us to condemn Islamic state please condemn ur self snd ur government who is stealing from muslim countries while you’re pretending to help them.. If u are willin to solve problems please solv ur violence nd healthcare insurance gay marriages more jobs and More mcdonalds for you people..STOP nobody needs your HELP niggah

        • Papi chulo

          You my friend are a radicalist. Since your so down to fight for Allah please go and join the fight so us McDonald’s loving people can blow your narrow minded head off you imbasel.

        • Angel Grace

          Oh I am sorry, you must be one of those little wanna-be ISIL brides. we keep reading about in the news. Or maybe you’re an ISIL dude posing as a wanna be bride? Who could tell the difference between you….lol.

    • Zak

      This piece is extremely reductionist and also doesn’t include crucial parts of the speech, such as Obama quoting shaykh bin bayya and imam Magid and making the explicit point that Muslims already condemn the actions of IS

      • Thank you, Zak

      • v. jabotinsky

        the devil can cite scripture all he wants….so what?

    • Zak

      Furthermore there needs to be a clear distinction made between condemnation and apologizing. They are not the same and when we continue to obstinately say things like “no I won’t condemn ISIL” we might think we’re making a clever nuanced point but in fact we just come across as tone deaf contrarians. And that helps no one…

      • TheNameGame

        “tone deaf contrarians” – well put…exactly what I was thinking. Thought there would be more to the article.

        While Muslims didn’t ask for it, they’ll have to stand up in the forefront against ISIS (well, no kidding, as the article points out) so that people who feel they do not have a relevant voice in this subject are encouraged to educate themselves and each other and move towards collective actions.

    • أستاذ إلياس

      Obama telling Muslims to reject ISIS is like a pimp telling women to condemn sex-slave trafficking. He exploits the victims of heinous and grotesque violence, and then turns around to co-opt that victimization for himself. Let’s not forget the target of ISIS has exclusively been Muslim and Muslim minorities until last month. We are asking YOU Obama to forcefully reject ISIS, the very people you funded, trained, and armed to go into Syria. Like a pimp soliciting the business of convicted rapists.

    • Devin Maharaj

      So muslims in fact, SHOULDN”T denounce a terrorist group that is purporting to be associated with their religion (i.e. “Islamic State”)? I wish I could gain back the time I spent reading this nonsense.

    • Thierryghi

      There IS something wrong with Islam, and most non-muslims worldwide are getting more and more fed up with it. The quran contains at least 109 verses that call muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called ‘hypocrites’ and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter. These verses are hammered in the minds of believers already at a very young age. Nearly in every country, there are problems with Islamism. Al Qaeda, ISIS, Boko Haram, Al-Shabaab, Ansar al-Sharia, Talibans, Hezbollah, etc. or even movements like sharia4belgium in Belgium, whose goal is to establish sharia in the country, these all groups with as goal to violently impose their religion on the world. To do so, they kill, because that’s what the prophet says. There is something very wrong with islam and we haven’t seen nothing yet.

      • Aasiyah Sattar

        I hate the word Islamism, and the constant use of it amongst non muslims, when it has no definition or meaning in Islam. Its like calling christians Jesusism’s but non the less. All killing, fighting, war and even administration of law and order involve some type of violence. However, the “Wild Wild West” did not earn the United States a reputation for violence; the two World Wars – the most violent and the worst killings in human history – did not earn the West in general and Europe in particular a reputation for violence either. The virtual decimation of the Indian people in the United States did not make the country barbaric or uncivilized. The European colonization that ravaged, exploited and dehumanized various parts of Asia and Africa, including the Muslim world, did not make Europe any less civilized. The Spanish Inquisition and the Crusade did not make Christianity violent and barbaric. Even the organized torching of Muslims in India by a Hindu mob does not make Hinduism a burning example of violence and barbarism. Yet, these days there are people who would like to identify Islam and the Prophet Muhammad (saw)as violent or symbol of violence. 

        During the post-Prophetic era, there was plenty of conflict and violence that occurred in the name of Islam, yet Islam did not sanction it. Notably, for 13 years of Makkan period, Muslims were strictly forbidden to reciprocate any violence to the persecutors of the Quraish. Many people misunderstand Muhammad (saw)because when they compare him with many other religious figureheads, such as Jesus and Buddha, they find a stark and intriguing contrast. Jesus as portrayed in the Bible, appears to be an embodiment of unblemished peace and compassion. Buddha appears to be an enlightened soul far removed from the hustle and bustle of life. In both cases, it seems that many find a message of non-violence. On the contrary, Muhammad (saw)appears to be quite different. In the limelight of society, he is helping the feuding Arabs make peace during his youth. He is also involved in a social treaty (Hilf al-Fudhul) to form an alliance against any unjust war and killing. He is an accomplished merchant, a family man, forgiving all the adversaries during the conquest of Makkah, except four murderers, mending his own shoes, foot-racing his beloved wife, leading and motivating the believers to stand for justice and give life in fighting, if necessary.

        Such a comparison between Muhammad on one hand and Jesus or Buddha on the other is both incorrect and unfair. It is even worse when, to justify your conclusion about Islam and the Prophet, trying to find verses in the Qur’an or references in Hadith, where the fighting and violence were so prominently, unequivocally, and sternly mentioned.

        To better understand this issue, you needs to recognize that Islam does not teach that if anyone’s one cheek is slapped, he or she should turn the other cheek. As mentioned in one of the premises above, Islam is based on Fitrah, the innate human nature. As a society, if we all turn our other cheek in the face of violence or open the door to the intruding burglars, or point to our heart to give a killer’s gun a more accurate target, it would be simply against human nature and also against any viable, functional, or healthy society. Anyone familiar with the Shaolin temples know that even the Buddhists contributed toward the development of the Martial Arts, as life’s need for self protection so dictated.

        The Qur’an affirms the universal right of self-defense.

        To those against whom war is made, permission is given (to fight), because they are wronged;- and verily, Allah is most powerful for their aid; 

        (They are) those who have been expelled from their homes in defiance of right,- (for no cause) except that they say, “our Lord is Allah”. Did not Allah check one set of people by means of another, there would surely have been pulled down monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques, in which the name of Allah is commemorated in abundant measure. Allah will certainly aid those who aid his (cause);- for verily Allah is full of Strength, Exalted in Might, (able to enforce His Will). [Quran 22:39-40]

        There are times when fighting and violence are indispensable even to seek or maintain peace. People – individuals, groups, and nations – may need to fight for self-defense. Even the so-called modern and civilized nations, who now are hell-bent on branding Islam as barbaric and violent can’t shun, discard, and avoid fighting and violence. They can’t, because there are times, when war, fighting, and violence are essential means to seek and maintain peace. However, Islam clearly forbids any aggression or committing excesses. 

        Fight in the Way of God against those who fight you, but do not go beyond the limits. God does not love those who go beyond the limits. {Quran 2:190]

        Of course, not all the wars and fighting are for just reasons or to seek/maintain peace. Sometimes, pursuit of a narrow, parochial or unjust interest can be touted as a pursuit of peace, but humanity knows better. 

        Add to the quest for peace the quest of justice, and one can easily understand the logic and reality of life on one hand and the Islamic guidance/norms and the life of the Prophet on the other. Without justice, peace is an illusion. That is a human reality. Islam urges and emboldens people to never succumb to injustice. Rather, it instills courage and spirit to offer resistance to any social injustice and work collectively, creatively, and capably toward a just society.

        “O you who believe! stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses to Allah, even as against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin, and whether it be (against) rich or poor: for Allah can best protect both. Follow not the lusts (of your hearts), lest you swerve, and if you distort (justice) or decline to do justice, verily Allah is well acquainted with all that you do.” [Quran 4:135]

        This pursuit of justice is not parochial or limited to only Muslims. Rather, Muslims are to uphold and defend justice – by themselves if necessary, but in collaboration with the rest of the humanity if possible – whether the victims and perpetrators are Muslims or non-Muslims. Notably, there are Muslims who are not quite in tune with such universal dimension of justice from the Islamic perspective. Thus, as the decent and fair-minded people would condemn the recent bigoted comment of the Pope Benedict XVI, the attacks by some fringe elements against churches (in Gaza and West Bank) in response must also be unreservedly condemned. CAIR’s (Council on American and Islamic Relations, a Muslim civil liberties organization) call on Muslims to help rebuild those churches is exemplary.

        As far as violence, yes, there have been wars and killing during the life of the Prophet. He himself led many expeditions, and in many battles he himself fought as well. But that is because LIFE sometime makes such war and fighting necessary and indispensable, as Islam does not teach, encourage or advocate pacifism in the face of injustice. Any war or fighting during the time of the Prophet must be understood within this essential reality of life. That is not so true in the post-Prophetic era, where sometimes non-Muslims as well as Muslims faced violence in the hands of the ruling establishment in the Muslim world. Muslims must acknowledge many such wrongdoings by Muslim rulers throughout history, even though in a comparative sense it was not necessarily any worse than under other religions or ideologies. Indeed, even though it should not be compared to the contemporary standard of human experience, during certain periods of Islamic civilization, non-Muslims, including Jews, found the best protection under Islamic rules and fled persecutions in the Christendom to the Islamic polities. 

        Now, let us take a look at some verses of the Qur’an. First, consider the following verses:

        “Let not the unbelievers think that they can get the better (of the godly): they will never frustrate (them). Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom you may not know, but whom Allah doth know.” [Quran 8:59-60]

        Or, the favorite verse of Islam-bashers:

        “Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush.” [Quran 9:5]

        Based on these verses, if anyone draws or “wants” to draw the conclusion that Islam is violent and it preaches violence, they would be violating almost all that muslims believe in and what the bases of Islam is. Islamic guidance is to help people find a balance between life’s conflicting priorities. It is not static or predefined, but a dynamic search for an equilibrium. Whether in self-defense, to resist the evil of injustice and oppression, or to struggle toward a more just society, Islam requires its adherents to uphold certain norms and parameters. In the verse quoted above in which Muslims are urged to make ready their “strength to the utmost” of their power, one needs to take into account the context of the entire Chapter, where it deals with treachery, hypocrisy and unilateral abrogation of a treaty that was imposed upon Muslims by their adversaries, as well as the verse that comes after it.

        “But if the enemy inclines towards peace, you (also) incline towards peace, and trust in Allah” [Quran 9:61].

        The importance of this later verse is that peace is the ultimate goal. It ought to be the ideal and norm that a society should seek. Islam insists that its adherents work and incline toward peace. 

        Those who want to harm Muslims or cause general harm or injustice, Muslims (like any other people) would deal with them to resolve the problems and, if necessary, fight them, as the last resort. However, if the very same people desist and show inclination to peace, Muslims are duty bound to reciprocate for peace. The life and legacy of the Prophet Muhammad (saw) were guided by pursuit of justice and peace. Whenever people, Muslims or non-Muslims, take a verse in a fragmented manner, advertently or inadvertently, they commit serious error, or worse. By dubbing Islam violent while it guides us toward a balance in our life, we merely yield to and validate those fanatical and extremist fringes that use or abuse Islam for their extremist angles and agendas. 

        Peace and justice are amongst the two most important pursuits for humanity and so are those for Islam and Muslims. Islam is meant to guide its adherents toward peace and justice.

        Here are some of the verses and the Prophetic narrations (hadith) that should be treated by Muslims as norms, and the humanity should hold them to these norms in accordance with the faith of Muslims in the Qur’an and the Prophet. 

        “Let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression.” [Quran 2:193]

        Muslims do not and cannot have any problem with adherents of any other faith (be it Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism or even animism) or ideology (communism, capitalism, etc.), unless there is oppression committed by any. Of course, this assumes that we Muslims do not engage in practicing any oppression or injustice. 

        “…if any one slew a person unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land, it would be as if he slew the whole people; and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people.” [Quran 5:35]

        Life – of ALL people — is sanctified and to be a Muslim is to show utmost respect for it. The sanctity of life – of Muslims and of others – was so important in Islam that the Prophet pursued an ingenious strategy of reclaiming Makkah: the entire conquest was virtually bloodless, a kind of feat unheard of in the blood-thirsty tribal Arab society. Furthermore, even for war and conflict, strict guidelines were set not to harm the life and property of any civilian, who are not active party to any hostility or conflict, and women, children, old men, monks, were to be particularly spared. 

        A person asked, O Prophet of God , whose Islam is excellent or the best (afdal)? He replied: “From whose tongue and hands the people (an-nas: irrespective of Muslims or non-Muslims) are safe.” [Musnad-i-Ahmad, #6762; narrated by Abdullah ibn Amr]

        The entire life of the Prophet was dedicated to help a conflict-ridden and blood-feuding society of Arabia come to civilization and serve as an illustration of human potential, where people do not give up hope for positive change and are willing to make adequate sacrifice toward establishing a just society for all people. The struggle of the Prophet was not an end point, but rather a reference point for the entire humanity as a source of guidance and inspiration. 

        Islam motivates people to seek a balance, tempering the extremities in their lives. It instills courage and valor in the weak and oppressed; at the same time, it humbles those who hold power and authority. It emboldens the downtrodden, while holds the oppressors and exploiters accountable. It urges the other-worldly people to take this world seriously and dearly, while it admonishes those who have forgotten about the life hereafter. 

        Thus, to say that Islam is peaceful does not explain why it also seeks to awaken people to a struggling spirit. And, to say that Islam is violent does not explain why it also emphasizes peace so ardently and embraces peace as the normative-imperative. Even Rabindranath Tagore, a Nobel Laureate in literature from India, recognized this aspect so beautifully in his novel, Gora. Through the words of Gora, the central character of the novel, in a conversation with a meek and abused Muslim, Tagore states: “One who tolerates wrong is also blameworthy, because he endorses wrongdoing in this world. You won’t understand me, but remember that religion is not merely being good-natured, pleasant, humble, meek gentleman (bhalo-manushi). It simply emboldens the bad ones. Your Muhammad had understanding of this and that’s why he did not propagate the faith merely as pleasant and meek gentleman (bhalomanush)”. [pp. 111-112]

        The Rebel Poet of Bengal, Kazi Nazrul Islam (nazrul.org) articulated this aspect aptly in his famous rhapsody “Rebel”. 

        In one hand of mine is the tender flute
        While in the other I hold the war bugle!

        In explaining this juxtaposition of sword and flute, he explained: 

        . . To bloom flowers is my religion. Sword may be a burden in my hand, but I have not discarded it. I play flute with the young cattle-herders at dusk; I give Azan at dawn (prayer call of Fajr time) adding my voice to the Muazzin (the prayer caller); I also jump into the battlefield with my unsheathed sword at bright noon. My flute becomes the trumpet of battle.

        My music is for the beauty, and the sword is for those monsters that endanger the beauty. [Nazrul Rachonaboli, Vol. 4, 1996, pp. 101-106] 

        Those who would like to pursue Jesus or Buddha as a model would soon find that puritanical and absolutist peace and acquiescence can’t always help us deal with and resolve the harsh reality and nature of life. Those who are absolutist in regard to use of force and violence for collective selfishness or arrogance, be they Muslims or non-Muslims, would find that they would be buried and overcome in history by the collective decency of humanity and human civilization. Muhammad (saw) is one such very special personality in human history that successfully balanced the quest of peace and justice. Muslims in history often have badly failed in upholding that quest for balance in the footstep of Muhammad(saw). Yet, during various time in history Muslims also have played exemplary roles in a comparative sense. 

        Conscientious people have never hesitated to acknowledge this historical reality. As in the context of the Palestinian conflict, Einstein reminded his fellow Jewish people in a speech in 1939:

        There could be no greater calamity than a permanent discord between us and the Arab people. … Let us recall that in former times no people lived in greater friendship with us than the ancestors of these Arabs.” [see Einstein, Zionism and Israel: Setting the Record Straight]

        The contemporary global context of vicious and malicious campaign against Islam and Muslims must not distract Muslims from being composed and dignified in their response on one hand and from being conscientiously self-critical on the other. It is only by valuing and upholding that Prophetic quest for that balance in the pursuit of justice and peace can Muslims overcome their own failures and miseries, and also serve the humanity in the path of God. This is a humanity-oriented quest, where Muslims must uphold the Islamic norm and spirit in pursuit of peace and justice, while building bridges with the rest of the world as part of a common goal.

         

        • SA_NYC

          Blah blah blah, what’s your point?

        • Sebastian Hoch

          Thank you for this. This was well thought out and I think I can understand where you are coming from.

          The problem is I can read perfectly well, and consume whole sections of the Koran with confidence in my comprehension. While it is true that the text has contradictions (abrogation I think you would call it). We western folk just don’t buy it. It is apologetics for bad ideas and the optics of it appear insincere and deceptive at worst and just pure self delusion at best. We don’t see how you can honestly preserve the notion that the text of the Koran is the exact and infallible word of god without violating the conscious morality of most people in the world today including most Muslims. It is not the history of Islam that gives it a violent reputation, but the ideas in it’s text and how the faith is experienced by believers today.

          The penalty for apostasy from Islam (death) comes to mind as an example which, according to polls throughout the world, is a very popular idea. But then this is the problem. Islam is not experienced throughout the globe in the enlightened manner you so eloquently laid out. Multi demential uses of violence, coercion, and oppression are routinely excused through Islam in defense of abstract ideas of purity, righteousness, and against those that are ‘not innocent’. If the polls are to be believed, well over half of Islam settles into this statement. This later point raising wonder about just what is a ‘conservative’, ‘moderate’, and ‘liberal’ muslim.

          http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-overview/

          No doubt Muslims are, by in large, are no different than than other people being of essentially good nature and with instincts and a conscious that tends toward charity, peace, and justice. But you need to find a way to confront and reform the religion out of toxic ideas spread throughout the Koran and Hadiths more honestly. I understand how hard this must be. How do you confront and change something whose doctrine is that it is already a pure thing. You have a tough work ahead of you. The Insistence to not condemn ISIL (by the author of this piece) seems like misspent time and energy.

          I am secular guy, and I have no horse in this race–believe what you will. I like what I am reading from you and I think if Islam was really experienced as you have idealized, the world would be a different and better place. Unfortunately, their is no shortage of scholars willing to read the text just as it is written and endorse violent and oppressive Fatwas as islamic law and a number of them have more followers on Twitter than the Pope.

          Peace

          • Aasiyah Sattar

            The first mistake that non muslims seem to make, is dividing muslims by inventing and creating made up names with no definitions to suit their conscience. There is no such thing as moderate, liberal and modernized muslims. You cannot call me a moderate, liberal or modernized muslim because I exist in this century or in this so call modernized era, or reside in a westonized country that doesn’t follow Islamic law. We muslims have never divided Islam or each other to a way we see fit, how can an outsider who never took the time to research or educate themselves about us have that right ? We follow laws passed down to the prophet from our creator, which does not effect government laws. How can a bystander define me or judge me , when you haven’t taken the time to know me ? The only division we have encountered in this era is the non muslims pretending to be muslims who are called Shia’s , whose intentions are to infect Islam from the inside. Creating illusion’s to the gullible westonized population that Islam is the opposite of what it portraits. The violent crimes and wars that are witnessed by millions today committed by muslims or so call muslim pretenders is not the reason for my comments, I will never be apologetic for those who wish to take the law into their own hands, using Islam and the Quraan as an excuse or a reason.

            I am a muslim. Allah is my creator and the prophet Mohamed (saw)is the final prophet and messenger who is my guide. The Quraan is my life manual. Allah has informed muslims that there will never come a time that we as muslims would be faced with doubt or confusion as everything ever needed to know or answer’s needed for question’s about our life, wives, property, children, charity, divorce even to the final aspect’s of how property should be divided amongst family in the time of death has been written down in the Quraan. The ways and all that the prophet Muhammed (saw) has preached and laws he has passed down to muslims was given and told to him by our creator. Which is the sunnah. His companion’s who walked his path beside him writing everything he has taught, preached, and assisted muslims with in their lives , their marriages and error’s is called Hadeeth’s. These three sacred books and teachings is the foundations of Islam. They are kept separated from each other to diffuse confusion.
            Muslims believe in One, Unique, Incomparable God; in the Angels created by Him; in the prophets through whom His revelations were brought to mankind; on the Day of Judgement every individual will be accountable for their actions; In God’s complete authority over human destiny and in life after death. Muslims believe in a chain of prophets starting with Adam and including Noah, Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Job, Moses, Aaron, David, Solomon, Elias, Jonah, John the Baptist, and Jesus, peace be upon them. But God’s final message to man, a reconfirmation of the eternal message and a summing-up of all that has gone before was revealed to the Prophet Muhammad through Gabriel.
            You may be able to read perfectly well, and consume whole sections of the Quraan with confidence, but evidently its not what you read, its how you read it. Have you read the total content of the Quraan, from page 1 till the last word that has been revealed ? Or have you ever by chance heard the arabic recitation of the Quraan ? I can only ask you to please take the time to first listen to the arabic recitation first, if ever you find yourself intrigued enough to read the english translation of the Quraan. When you do I can guarantee your understanding and what you thought you knew about muslims would change in an instance. I do not wish to convert you, trust me, but for you to understand the religion, rather then echo empty comments which proves pure hatred of muslims ,that’s been repeatedly said by hundreds if not thousands non muslims to the exact same wording.
            In order to understand my religion, you need to understand the bases and foundations of Islam, without being biased and comparing it to Christianity or the bible. The use or rather abusing Google by searching “violent verses” in the Qur’aan will only lead to you to websites created by non muslim’s who wish to create or feed your hatred. If your intention is purely for knowing about the religion, you need to consult a muslim. Firstly you need to acknowledge that the words uttered by every muslim or the words still being uttered by reverts as we speak, are all the exact same arabic recitation uttered the exact same way, no matter what vernacular you may speak, or country you may reside in.

            Secondly blaming a religion or a holy scripture for evil of man, is to me idiotic and illiterate.
            If a muslim man murders his neighbor because he mocked his shoes every morning, which verses of the Quraan would you copy and paste to justify his actions ?

            Would it be justifiable enough to blame your text books for you failing your exams ?

            If you may enlighten me on which text in the Quraan you may have found that is contradictory I would love to take the time and effort in proving you wrong.
             
            The miracle of Qur’anic Arabic is only one of the Qur’an’s several everlasting miracles brought by an un-lettered man who did’n know how to write nor read. So i ask, how can an un-lettered man produce such a Book of Guidance, Wisdom, Science, History, Previous Knowledge and Future Knowledge unknown to us. Allah said;
             
            قُل لَّئِنِ اجْتَمَعَتِ الْإِنسُ وَالْجِنُّ عَلَىٰ أَن يَأْتُوا بِمِثْلِ هَـٰذَا الْقُرْآنِ لَا يَأْتُونَ بِمِثْلِهِ وَلَوْ كَانَ بَعْضُهُمْ لِبَعْضٍ ظَهِيرًا 
             
                    Say: “If the mankind and the jinn were together to produce the like of this Qur’ân, they could not produce the like thereof, even if they helped one another.” Al-Qur’an 17:88
             
            إِنَّا أَنزَلْنَاهُ قُرْآنًا عَرَبِيًّا لَّعَلَّكُمْ تَعْقِلُونَ
             
            “Verily, We have sent it down as an Arabic Qur’ân in order that you may understand.” Al-Qur’an 12:2
            .
            Fatwa covers a wider scope, including matters of legal theory, theology, philosophy, and creeds, which are not included in fiqh studies. From the perspective of judicial authority, realm, and enforceability, fatwa is contrasted with qaḍa or court judgment. The major difference between the two is in their enforceability, qaḍa is binding and enforceable whereas fatwa is voluntary.
            From the perspective of moral and religious obligation, fatwa is contrasted with taqwa or Piety. For instance, a fatwa may allow choice between a lenient and a severe view about the permissibility of a certain matter, or it may resort to legal devices to circumvent the strict implications of a law, but taqwa may not approve of such strategies.
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            • Sebastian Hoch

              The first time I read the Qur’an was about 20 years ago when I was 16 years old. I don’t think I got through the whole thing but most of it. I have since read sections of it at different sittings but probably never end to end. I listened to about 20 min arabic recitation at your suggestion. I am not sure why you asked me to do this?

              I don’t pretend have great knowledge of the book, but I am sophisticated enough to consider the context when reading anything including religious texts.

              What strikes me as surprising about this is the instance on defining what a muslim is. As a non-muslim if someone says they are a muslim, Shia or Sunni, Sufi, or whatever, I would take their word for it as long as it seems plausible. It strikes me as likely as this is part of the misunderstanding. When you refer to islam you refer to your experience but I see it as the total picture, including the plurality of Muslims throughout the world that survey in the affirmative that people should be killed for what they believe (apostasy).

              Thanks for your time.

          • Aasiyah Sattar

            Continuation..

            The following is “one” of many verses I’ve chosen, to enlighten you and show you the evidence in the Quraan which is in fact the word of God.

            In the Holy Quran, God speaks about the stages of man’s embryonic development:

             We created man from an extract of clay.  Then We made him as a drop in a place of settlement, firmly fixed.  Then We made the drop into an alaqah (leech, suspended thing, and blood clot), then We made the alaqah into a mudghah (chewed substance)…  (Quran, 23:12-14)
            Literally, the Arabic word alaqah has three meanings: leech, suspended thing, and blood clot.
            In comparing a leech to an embryo in the alaqah stage, we find similarity between the two .  Also, the embryo at this stage obtains nourishment from the blood of the mother, similar to the leech, which feeds on the blood of others.

            Professor Emeritus Keith L. Moore is one of the world’s most prominent scientists in the fields of anatomy and embryology and is the author of the book entitled The Developing Human, which has been translated into eight languages.  This book is a scientific reference work and was chosen by a special committee in the United States as the best book authored by one person.  Dr. Keith Moore is Professor Emeritus of Anatomy and Cell Biology at the University of Toronto, Toronto, Canada.  There, he was Associate Dean of Basic Sciences at the Faculty of Medicine and for 8 years was the Chairman of the Department of Anatomy.  In 1984, he received the most distinguished award presented in the field of anatomy in Canada, the J.C.B. Grant Award from the Canadian Association of Anatomists.  He has directed many international associations, such as the Canadian and American Association of Anatomists and the Council of the Union of Biological Sciences.
            In 1981, during the Seventh Medical Conference in Dammam, Saudi Arabia, Professor Moore said: “It has been a great pleasure for me to help clarify statements in the Quran about human development.  It is clear to me that these statements must have come to Muhammad from God, because almost all of this knowledge was not discovered until many centuries later.  This proves to me that Muhammad must have been a messenger of God.” 
            Consequently, Professor Moore was asked the following question: “Does this mean that you believe that the Quran is the word of God?”  He replied: “I find no difficulty in accepting this.”
            During one conference, Professor Moore stated: “….Because the staging of human embryos is complex, owing to the continuous process of change during development, it is proposed that a new system of classification could be developed using the terms mentioned in the Quran and Sunnah (what Muhammad  said, did, or approved of).  The proposed system is simple, comprehensive, and conforms with present embryological knowledge.  The intensive studies of the Quran and hadeeth (reliably transmitted reports by the Prophet Muhammad’s  companions of what he said, did, or approved of) in the last four years have revealed a system for classifying human embryos that is amazing since it was recorded in the seventh century A.D.  Although Aristotle, the founder of the science of embryology, realized that chick embryos developed in stages from his studies of hen’s eggs in the fourth century B.C., he did not give any details about these stages.  As far as it is known from the history of embryology, little was known about the staging and classification of human embryos until the twentieth century.  For this reason, the descriptions of the human embryo in the Quran cannot be based on scientific knowledge in the seventh century.  The only reasonable conclusion is: these descriptions were revealed to Muhammad from God.  He could not have known such details because he was an illiterate man with absolutely no scientific training

            Islam may seem exotic or even extreme in the modern world. Perhaps this is because religion does not dominate everyday life in the West today, whereas Muslims have religion always uppermost in their minds, and make no division between secular and sacred. They believe that the Divine Law, the Shari’a, should be taken very seriously, which is why issues related to religion are still so important.

            Now let’s get to the killings and the shariah law that so many dominent countries fear and protest against, which is simply misunderstood, misinterpreted and clearly seen as violent because everyone wants the easiest reason for all that’s happened and happening.

            Sharia law is what Allah, to Whom all praise and glory is due, has ordained for Muslims. It includes belief, acts of worship (prayers, fasting, charity, etc), morals (truth, trustworthiness, kindness), and the etiquette of dealing with people, such as visiting the sick and how to greet one another. Sharia law includes all that Allah has ordained for us in all walks of life to ensure our success in this world and the Hereafter.

            As we ponder over sharia law, we discover that its sources are commandments from Allah delivered to Muhammad (pbuh). Similarly, we see that Allah also sent his sharia to the previous prophets (pbut). So, Moses (pbuh) came with sharia for his people, and Jesus (pbuh) also came with sharia, and similarly, Muhammad (pbuh) came with sharia. These sharia agree and complement each other in some ways, as they are all from Allah, and they also differ in other ways, according to the place and time of the revelation. Allah’s law are all in agreement in the following:
            Beliefs: Every sharia testifies to only One creator and sustainer, and that is Allah.
            Morals: Every sharia emphasizes good morals. Every messenger instructed his people to have morals of truth, honesty, and trust, and all forbade falsehood, theft, and oppression. Therefore, every messenger (pbut) ordained good morals and forbid bad morals.
            Moses (pbuh) ordained the Ten Commandments to his people, and these are found in the Torah/Old Testament. Jesus (pbuh) also confirmed them when he said in the book of Matthew, 5:17:
            Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
            The Ten Commandments include:
            You shall have no other gods before Me. This is equal to the belief in Islam that shirk (associating partners with Allah) is a great sin and against Allah’s sharia.
            You shall not make for yourself any carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. Muslims have a very similar belief regarding statues and other images.
            You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain. This means to not take a false oath by the name of Allah, and Muslims believe this as well.
            Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Muslims do not go to the extreme of not working at all on our day of worship, but we are still ordered to stop what we are doing and worship Allah for Allah’s sake alone.
            Honor your father and your mother. Muslims have a similar command, except the mother is owed much more honor than the father since she gives part of her life to bring her children into this world.
            You shall not murder. Indeed, Muslims have the exact same order as the Jews and Christians regarding this.
            You shall not commit adultery. Again, same order.
            You shall not steal. Ditto.
            You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. Ditto.
            You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s. And this also applies to the Muslim.
            Similar to these commandments given to Moses and Jesus (pbut), Allah gave us commandments in the Qur’an:
            Say, “Come, I will recite what your Lord has prohibited to you. [He commands] that you not associate anything with Him, and to parents, good treatment, and do not kill your children out of poverty; We will provide for you and them. And do not approach immoralities – what is apparent of them and what is concealed. And do not kill the soul which Allah has forbidden [to be killed] except by [legal] right. This has He instructed you that you may use reason.” [Surah al-‘An’aam, verse 151]
            and do not approach the orphan’s property except in a way that is best until he reaches maturity. And give full measure and weight in justice. We do not charge any soul except [with that within] its capacity. And when you testify, be just, even if [it concerns] a near relative. And the covenant of Allah fulfill. This has He instructed you that you may remember. [Surah al-‘An’aam, verse 152]
            and
            O you who have believed, do not consume one another’s wealth unjustly but only [in lawful] business by mutual consent. And do not kill yourselves [or one another]. Indeed, Allah is to you ever Merciful. [Surah an-Nisa, verse 29]
             Allah also said, “this is My path, which is straight, so follow it; and do not follow [other] ways, for you will be separated from His way. This has He instructed you that you may become righteous.”

            So, the divine laws, including sharia law, are based on the revealed books – the Torah, the Gospel, and the Qur’an. And in Islam, sharia law also comes from the hadiths, the sayings and actions of the prophet Muhammad (pbuh). These sharias differ in other ways, regarding how to pray, or how to deal with people, and the laws of inheritance. Islamic sharia confirms many previous rulings in some areas and differs in others. That is why Allah said:
            Allah has ordained for you of religion what He enjoined upon Noah and that which We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], and what We enjoined upon Abraham and Moses and Jesus –   to establish the religion and not be divided therein.
            This verse points to the similarities of the sharias of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. The next verse points to their differences:
            To each of you We prescribed a law and a method [a way of life].
            At-Tabari explained that this verse means, “To every nation we revealed the right way, and a clear way of life to follow.” Similarly, ibn Abbas explained, “The ways of life are different. The Torah has a shariah, the Bible has a shariah, and the Qur’an has a shariah, and all of them are from Allah”.

            An important question is this: Does sharia law only include punishments? The answer is no. Punishments (hudood) are only a very small part of sharia law. We need to remove these misunderstandings. First, there are four punishments in sharia law:
            Punishment for sex outside of marriage
            Punishment for false accusation (one who accuses a man or woman of having sex outside of marriage who is unable to produce four just, trustworthy witnesses to the physical act of penetration)
            Punishment for greater theft (rebellion)
            Punishment for theft.
             So, we have four punishments, and also retribution (an eye for an eye). There are ten verses in the Qur’an that announce these punishments and retribution. Two are from Surah al-Baqarah, four from Surah al-Maidah, four from Surah an-Noor. That’s ten verses. Ten verses from a total 6236 verses mention these punishments. So, why do pundits and commentators leave 6226 verses and only discuss these ten verses? In fact, the whole of the Qur’an is sharia law, and this includes belief, worship, morals, and etiquette.

            The verses in the Qur’an that deal with punishments were not revealed in the beginning of the revelation, but towards the end of it, as Surah al-Maidah is among the last of the Surahs that was revealed. So, before Muhammad (pbuh) applied the punishments, he (pbuh) applied the rest of Islam! When charity has been established, meaning it is collected from the rich and given to the poor, there is no need to steal if he is already receiving support from the wealth of the Muslims.

            Let’s look at this issue further. The punishment for stealing is to cut off the hand. But applying this punishment has a very strict set of conditions.

            First, we need to ensure all the teachings of Islam are in practice. For example, we cannot leave the practice of collecting the obligatory charity before applying the punishment for stealing. An example is found in Umar ibn al-Khattab. When he was the leader of the faithful, he inquired to one of his governors, “What do you do when a thief is brought to you?” The governor said, “I cut off his hand.” Umar said, “Then, if a hungry person from your district comes to me, I should order the cutting of your hand! I did not appoint you to humiliate the people or to put them into poverty. I appointed you to remove their hunger, and to promote justice among them.” From this hadith we understand that if a person steals out of hunger or desperation of poverty, it is not permissible to chop his hand off according to sharia.

            In fact, Umar withheld the punishment for stealing in a year of extreme hardship, when the people were facing a famine. For an entire year Umar ordered that no one be subjected to the usual punishment for stealing because the thief might be a needy person in dire straights. This is in line with Muhammad’s (pbuh) order in sharia law: Remove the punishments in the case of doubt.

            Islam has ordered the ruler to feed the people, and to teach the ignorant in the matters of religion, and to take care of the orphan, and to tend to the sick, and to provide shelter for the homeless. Then, and only then, if a person steals not due to some need but due to mischief, the punishment of stealing will be applicable to him or her. But we should remember that in order to apply the punishment, the thief must have stolen a significant amount. The punishment of chopping off the hand is not applicable if someone stole an insignificant amount, such as $20 here in America. The person who stole must not have stake of ownership, so the punishment will not be given to the one who teals from his father’s house, and punishment will not be given to a person who steals from the treasury of the Muslims. In such cases, a lesser punishment, such as time in prison, may be given. This is called Tadheer.

            Furthermore, punishment cannot be given to an ignorant person, one who does not know what is permissible and what is forbidden. In this regard, sharia law is more merciful than the law of the United States, because the argument that one is ignorant of the law is not a valid argument in America.

            The next condition, and this is a very important one, is that the punishment can only be determined and ordered by the ruler, and not by the people among themselves, and the ruler can only apply them after going through all the criteria. So honor killings, the practice of killing relatives, in particular girls, for possibly committing adultery, is not a killing of honor but an outright murder. Muslims absolutely cannot take matters into their own hands regarding these punishments. If they cannot resolve the situation among themselves, they must go to the local authority and argue their case there, and be willing to accept whatever punishment (if any) the ruler decides. So in America, because they have no authority on sharia who is in charge and can decide the punishment, there is no sharia punishment for any of these offenses. Instead we rely on the government of the United States to do with these cases as they see fit.

            Finally, we must answer the question that many people answer for themselves incorrectly. Can sharia law be applied to non-Muslims? The answer is “No.” Non-Muslims, whether they are Jews or Christians or Hindus or Buddhists are not required to follow Islamic sharia law. Sharia law is only for Muslims. So these claims that Muslims are trying to slowly implement sharia, also known as creeping sharia, are absolutely false.

            Please do not believe that sharia means only chopping off hands, or lashing people, or stoning them. Sharia also means to take care of orphans, to give charity, to help the needy, to take care of the sick, and to give shelter to the homeless. Similarly, sharia orders us to be kind and just to parents, neighbors, and non-Muslims.

            Sharia law is a whole, not a part. Only when the above conditions have been fulfilled is it then permissible to apply punishment to the Muslims who break the commandments, since they are the transgressors.
            Islam is a religion of mercy, and Muhammad (pbuh) was a prophet of mercy. Muhammad (pbuh) told us a story of a woman who entered the hellfire because she locked up an unwanted cat without food or water, and it died of hunger. So, when Islam gives so much importance to the right of a mere animal, and forbids torturing them, does it make sense for Islam to be cruel to the best of creations – humans – whom Allah has honored?

            • Sebastian Hoch

              I am aware of the arguments that the Qur’an contains many references to the natural world as “proof” of the books divine origins. I find these arguments unconvincing. Moreover there are plenty of scientist with equal or great credentials that articulated their disagreement with Moore.

              “and make no division between secular and sacred. They believe that the Divine Law, the Shari’a, should be taken very seriously, which is why issues related to religion are still so important.”

              This observation shows that islam is a political force in a way that that the west rejects through the concept of separation of church and state.

              “. Ten verses from a total 6236 verses mention these punishments. So, why do pundits and commentators leave 6226 verses and only discuss these ten verses?”

              Because it is the cruelty and savagery that is being criticized which is not balanced out with good charity. Surely it would be wrong to say that Islam is altogether this way or even mostly this way.

              “From this hadith we understand that if a person steals out of hunger or desperation of poverty, it is not permissible to chop his hand off according to sharia.”

              Not sure how this makes cutting limbs off any less savage?

            • Aasiyah Sattar

              Remember in one of my comments to you, i said “its not what you read, its how you read it” ? Now you’ve given me the opportunity to show you the truth in that sentence.

              In the hadeeth I’ve quoted to you, the only sentence which caught your eye was :

              From this hadith we understand that if a person steals out of hunger or desperation of poverty, it is not permissible to chop his hand off according to sharia.

              The point to this hadeeth was clearly stated in the verse after that, which you failed to acknowledge, as your concentration had now only been on what you had taken out of context.

              “Islam has ordered the ruler to feed the people, and to teach the ignorant in the matters of religion, and to take care of the orphan, and to tend to the sick, and to provide shelter for the homeless.”

              Meaning that it was the responsibility of the ruler to ensure that his people are fed, and have no reason to steal. What reason would you possibly have to steal, if food is provided to you ? Not even claptomaniac’s would steal food for no apparent reason.

              Cutting off limbs to you is a savage act ?Let’s talk realistically. In the countries we both reside in, governed by presidents, who have created laws, restricting people from committing criminal acts. People feel that laws cannot and will not limit them to doing what’s they feel fit, please do correct me if I’m wrong. So they are called criminals, correct ? For example a thief, steals gets caught, appears in a magistrate court and is sent to jail by the judge for how ever long the judge feels fit. The thief does jail time, comes out for a month or less and repeats the crime in a more tactful manner hoping not to get caught, which eventually he does, after having to cause havoc. Goes back to jail, and its like de ja vu all over again. According to crime stat’s and survey’s , 90 per cent of criminals are released from jail and in less then a year is sent back for committing the same crimes or worst. But evidently criminals whose done jail time gets sent back to jail at least 3 to 4 times. Now let’s look at a rapist, gets caught sent to jail, comes out. Strategically plans his next rape, but this time is smart enough to be tactful enough to kill his victim so there’s no evidence in getting him caught. Now he’s a rapist and a murderer. Murderer becomes a serial killer. Paedophile becomes a kidnapper, and human trafficker.
              Criminals seems to enhance their criminal resume in jail. Now Islamic ruling states. Criminal steals he’s hands are chopped off. Firstly its forbidden to steal in Islam without a valid reason, why steal ? This law is so strict, they know that the same criminal will never be able to steal or enhance his criminal resume, this one example creates fear and discipline in all those who wished or thought of stealing. Which to me is a law that should be adopted by every country. Do you know what the crime stats is in Saudi Arabia ?
              In my 4 months I’ve spent there, I’ve watched men literally jump out of the cars still switched on with their keys in the ignition as the call for prayer goes on. I’ve stood infront of shops who closed their entrance with a large piece of cloth as they proceeded towards the mosque, which barely covered anything inside. At anytime anyone could have looted 50 shops in a row, as prayer commenced, and made off with thousands of rands worth of goods, but not a single person did, i waited for days on end for one crime to be committed by not even police were anywhere in sight. I shit you not. I stood in awe never wanting to go back to my governed country , ruled by greedy corrupted fat cats who would run my country into grounds screwing us at every possible angle they could. I spent the fasting month there, and just before sun set time to break fast, i walked towards the mosque. At least 20 trucks filled each street handing out dates and yougart to every person in sight. After prayer walking towards my hotel the same trucks appeared with containers filled with rice chicken and salad handing it out to all the people who finished praying as well for those still inside the mosque. So you oppose the cutting of limbs of thieves , do you have any idea how many limbs of criminals gets cut per day, month or even yearly ? Think about it ? I wish every person would have the freedom to live their lives without fear, and to constantly look over their shoulder. Any parents dream of having their kids play and be kids and not tug them inside the house as soon as it got dark. So you may disagree on Shariah Law and Islam, but we have so many advantages and blessings in abundance, and those who refuse to abide to laws surely has a price to pay for sheer ignorance.

          • Aasiyah Sattar

            Lastly

            Now you claimed that the Quraan commands and teaches violence and that the Western world just doesn’t buy that its not, let’s look at bible verses.

                The following passages are a very small percentage of the total passages approving of murder in the Bible.  They are divided here into three parts: 1) Capital Punishment Crimes, 2) God’s Murders for Stupid Reasons, 3) Murdering Children, and 4) Miscellaneous Murders.  This list is long, but it barely scratches the surface of all the murders approved of in the Bible.
             
            1) Capital Punishment Crimes:
             
            Kill People Who Don’t Listen to Priests
                Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death.  Such evil must be purged from Israel.  (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

            Kill Followers of Other Religions.
                1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him.  Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you.  You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery.  And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst.  (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)
             Death for Blasphemy
                One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father got into a fight with one of the Israelite men.  During the fight, this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD’s name.  So the man was brought to Moses for judgment.  His mother’s name was Shelomith. She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan.  They put the man in custody until the LORD’s will in the matter should become clear.  Then the LORD said to Moses, “Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head.  Then let the entire community stone him to death.  Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished.  Anyone who blasphemes the LORD’s name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel.  Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD’s name will surely die.  (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)
             
            Kill False Prophets
                1) Suppose there are prophets among you, or those who have dreams about the future, and they promise you signs or miracles,  and the predicted signs or miracles take place.  If the prophets then say, ‘Come, let us worship the gods of foreign nations,’ do not listen to them.  The LORD your God is testing you to see if you love him with all your heart and soul.  Serve only the LORD your God and fear him alone.  Obey his commands, listen to his voice, and cling to him.  The false prophets or dreamers who try to lead you astray must be put to death, for they encourage rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of slavery in the land of Egypt.  Since they try to keep you from following the LORD your God, you must execute them to remove the evil from among you.  (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT)
             
                2) But any prophet who claims to give a message from another god or who falsely claims to speak for me must die.’  You may wonder, ‘How will we know whether the prophecy is from the LORD or not?’  If the prophet predicts something in the LORD’s name and it does not happen, the LORD did not give the message.  That prophet has spoken on his own and need not be feared.  (Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT)
             
            Infidels and Gays Should Die
                So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired.  As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other’s bodies.  Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies.  So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever.  Amen.  That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires.  Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other.  And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other.  Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved.  When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done.  Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip.  They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful.  They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents.  They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving.  They are fully aware of God’s death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway.  And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too.  (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)
             
            Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle
                For the LORD had said to Moses, ‘Exempt the tribe of Levi from the census; do not include them when you count the rest of the Israelites.  You must put the Levites in charge of the Tabernacle of the Covenant, along with its furnishings and equipment.  They must carry the Tabernacle and its equipment as you travel, and they must care for it and camp around it.  Whenever the Tabernacle is moved, the Levites will take it down and set it up again.  Anyone else who goes too near the Tabernacle will be executed.’  (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)
             
            Kill People for Working on the Sabbath
                The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: ‘Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever.  It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy.  Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy.  Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community.  Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest.  I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.’  (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)
             
            These bible verses seems more violent and staunchly commanded to christians then what the verses written in the Quraan.

            I’ve given enough evidence, verses and explanations of what Islam entails, it is your lawful right to have an opinion. If you still wish to disagree then your hatred is based solely on hating muslims and not what the religion is about. I do hope that some misunderstandings have been cleared. I have no reason to lie or to justify my religion into something that it is not, just for the approval of other’s. In the end of it all, God’s approval is all I want and need. If I could make a slight difference or eliminate hatred on just one person, it would be enough for me. The world has way too much hatred which divides the human race, the mere chance of creating or installing respect for one another, would be greater then winning any war fought. God has created every human soul which walks this earth, he created us without differences, we took it upon ourselves to find differences which divides us. First it was color, then gender, then different races, different sexual preferences, a divide between the rich and poor, now religion which I’ve never thought would divide humans , has come to light. In conclusion we are and will always be God’s creation, and he would never see us as anything other then what he has created.

            • Sebastian Hoch

              I tried to save you the trouble typing all this when I pointed out that I am completely secular-an atheist. But for your trouble I absolutely agree that the old testament is just as blood thirsty as the Qur’an is and the new testament the statement in Romans that is highly bigoted to homosexuals.

              But then why is there so much sectarian and tribal violence between muslims? I would argue that the puritan ideology of islam encourages thinking in terms of absolutes. Indeed you have demonstrated this in this very conversation. Is it so hard to see that way you view the doctrine in terms of an absolute thing, and frame other sects as heretical (Shia) together with this obsession with purity drives powerful divisions in your ranks that forms the basis for much conflict. Until you can show that you can get along with each other, you will not have a strong argument for the being the “religion of peace”

              I don’t hate islam and certainly not you. YOu have been most patient and helpful with the effort you have made to explain you views. What I have put down here is not an emotional expression but a factual one as I see it. Surely I can make a mistake and be wrong about my conclusions, but don’t smear my motives with the accusation that it comes from hate. I feel like I understand you but I don’t think you understand the general values of western culture or fail to understand how deeply they are felt, even by secular humanists.

            • Aasiyah Sattar

              I’m sorry sebastian, but in my opinion, western culture is a fashion trend, created by a government or society and should not even be compared to religious beliefs ?
              To me western culture is unruly and uncouth, its a trend that has no protective rights or rules.
              It justifies teenage drinking, pregnancy, rape, smoking, sex, drugs.
              It allows women to show off body parts, which gets the occasional thumbs up, sending the minds of men into a frenzy, the conclusion is, adultery, rape, fornication. And for teenagers ? Molesting, which leads to kidnapping, rape, pregnancy, diseases stricken, death. Is that not violence ?
              Let’s go on, its a vicious circle. All of the above is what the western culture teaches and allows.
              Every advertisement, billboard, perfume, latest movie, music video’s , lyrics of music, magazines, probably even the milk carton has all the exact same message or content which is “sexual” or “sex related” .
              Music artist dressed dancing in their underwear, rubbing up against the opposite sex, watched by “westenized” 6 year olds, while mummy is being adulterous with the neighbor while daddy’s at work, is that not vicious and cruel ?
              Father’s raping their daughter’s, which bears his children, locked up for years is that not violent ?
              15 year old teenager goes on a shooting spree at school, killing teachers and fellow pupils in your westenized country, not violent ?
              Yes all the above may be just opininated, based from my point of view, so let’s get factual.
              1. Pedro Bravo murdered roommate Christian Aguilar, 18, then asked his iPhone Siri where to bury the teenager’s body
              2. ‘I killed that lady’: Boy, 10, accused of beating to death 90 year-old woman.
              3. Teen ‘killed newborn baby then cremated the body in a stove in a bid to hide pregnancy from parents’
              4. Killer on the doorstep: Neighbour hood shocked by twisted murder of six-year-old girl by local teenager.
              5. Jordan Brennan death: Two teenagers arrested on suspicion of murder over shopping rage attack.
              6. ‘He was boiling her feet when I walked in’: Electrician describes moment he saw killer cooking his wife.
              7. Teenager ‘lost virginity to mother’s corpse’ after killing her with a hammer
              All the above crimes occurred in this week alone. Its depressing that the crimes committed was done by children, who will never know what coming into adulthood consists of.
              So i ask you, what values does your westenized culture have ? What protective rights does these children have, what type of parental guidance did they have ? Lastly what environment did they grow up in to get them to do what they’ve done ?
              Your westenized culture doesn’t create religious war, maybe religious hate, which doesn’t only endanger those who oppose it, but has a worst impact on those who shouldn’t even be in contact or witness it, which is your children.
              My Quraan may have violent verses, but my kids and the muslim children which surrounds this earth knows what Islam is and the violence it forbids. They have the rights and protection of parents who teaches and installs 5 times a day prayer acts, and consistency of knowing who God is and what he commands. They will know, remember and cherish their childhood . Can you guarantee the same outcome of a “westenized” child .Our women are covered from head to toe ,protected from sexual predators and committing adultery. Our men protect their women by walking beside them in public places. And God protects us from the calamities of this earth. We thank him 5 times a day. Islam and any religion on this earth teaches humility which leads people into a spiritual direction. Having to believe in nothing creates anarchy and negativity not only within yourself but its a disease widely affected by those around and acquainted to you. What I’ve told you about my religion is not what’s my point of view, but its is to every muslim around this earth. Islam has never been a violent religion, and what you know now about it, is not what is stands for. I thank you for taking the time to listen to the arabic recitation of the Quraan. My question to you is, the twenty minutes you spent listening to the Quraan, was there any indication or a alarming minute where you felt that the person reciting instructed violence, or a minute that passed that made you fearful ? A aggressiveness or demanding tone maybe? Its a sixth sense that humans have, you can tell what mood the next person may be in without having to see them just by the tone in their voice. Scientifically humans can sense danger even before it happens. Did you sense danger ?

            • V Tiffany Seidel

              I agree with your description of the secular West and the decline of society and morality and I also liked how you take care of family and children however, I have a question about your comment on women are covered from head to toe “Our women are covered from head to toe to protected from sexual predators and committing adultery.” We hear and see videos of women who were covered from head to toe and still became cheadlines s of rape, only to be victimized again by given a punishment of Stoning which ultimately leads to her death. My question is, why should she have to be punished by death when it was the male that was the violator? I also understand that she must have at least 2 male (family witnesses) for her to be believed. Is that just a custom thing or is it true that women are 2nd class citizens and that women are merely property of their husbands? Which brings me to my final thoughts and that is you mentioned that the West is full of rapist and killers, which in any society you will find deviant people amongst any society including the Muslim world as there are just as many Rapist and child molesters in your land as there are in the West. The West do punish those that do commit crimes and that do not live by our laws of the Land, so to only point out that our culture is the only one’s that rapes, kill and harm children is just not true, as I could show you headlines from the Middle East of a child who died from vaginal bruising and bleeding on her “Wedding Night” or women who were hanged or stoned (that is a very brutal way to die and very gruesome to watch a real stoning). Earth is and always has been full of evil, sin, injustice, greed, lust, hate, love, good, bad, unfair, beautiful, ugly, sad, joyous and on I could go but unfortunately, I cannot change the bad in my society as you cannot change that which is bad in yours. I do hope that we as Nations and as humans can learn to forgive and make Peace with one another so that we may end wars not start them!

            • Angel Grace

              Yes.Some mighty bad humans did the things you listed above, and they do some mighty bad things everywhere..but I have a question for you? What do you think would happen if religion and all that people know about it were erased from the minds of every human on earth? What if the Quaran,Bible, and Torah vanished into thin air? People would have to rely on common sense to manage in the world, just as they did long before religion began. The intention of all scriptures was to bring order and control into society.

            • Aasiyah Sattar

              Hello Grace, firstly I do not wish to comment on your political statements and how Islamic countries are being governed. I’m not a political person and politics does not interest me in the least be it an Islamic States or Country, governed by presidents or kings. How the world works and the law’s that has be been set forth is not one I wish to debate on neither justify in the least. I am a Muslim first before any other title, and the only justifying that I feel is in my religious right to clear any misconseptions about Islam and what is commanded for us by my creator against the fiction which has not even an ounce of truth in it, which is spread in hatred. Muslims which go against the teachings of Islam and all that God has commanded us to do and be will be dealt with accordingly on the day of Judgement like everyone else..I protect my religion, my Qur’aan and my prophet, and anything affiliated with my beliefs.. Yes I do agree that you should have the freedom to choose how you would like to live your life, I however don’t believe muslims can force non muslims to follow or practice our laws, as our laws consits of five practices. They are as follows:

              1. Pray 5 times a day
              2. Fast in the month of Ramadaan
              3. To give a portion of your salary to charity
              4. To believe in one god, his books, angels and prophets.
              5. To perform pilgrimage once in your life if one is by the means to.

              So enforcing these laws on someone who doesn’t practise Islam is by far the most hilarious statement to have ever been created. These are the 5 pillars of Islam, our sacred laws, nothing can be added to it neither has anything been deleted from it, and it is by which every muslim should live and abide by..

              Religion has brought order in society yes, if religion had not existed this world , this universe would be in constant anarchy solely because men would not have any reason to respect the next person let alone any other creation on this earth. Women would be slaves to men who still in this century feel that women can never hold any status higher then any men. Men would kill each other for greed and worldly possessions and children would be killed as they would be seen as a burden rather then a blessing..Those times had existed, if you go and research medieval times, you would find what the world was when God was unknown to men.
              We as muslims are told in our Qur’aan that God was once a hidden treasure who wished to be known so he hand picked the strongest of men to convey his message to his creation . How can you deny the existence of a superior being who had created everything you abundantly and daily indulge in , yet you fascinate yourself with movies about superheroes with superpower’s which has never and will never exist, yet God is real and proven his existance and all he has created for us ? We as muslims are given evidence, and because we posess the written truth we will never cease to exist or disbelieve. How do you define common sense where has it originated from ? Who created this world and everything in it ? If you can give me a reasonable answer then maybe you can convert me, but right now common sense is a quality that had to be taught to men.
              You say you don’t need a book or prophet to tell you right from wrong and for those who have to have a book or prophet to do so,are not using their God given gift – their brains. How do think men would come to know of God if God had not chosen men as prophets to show his existance ? Would you have believed that God existed of these men didn’t come and tell you about the Almighty ? I think not, we would have taken it for granted. That’s realistically speaking using common sense and logic..
              Faith in the context of religion is very defining for a person. It places the person in a belief system that develops into a way of life and provides its own unique system of logic to explain the phenomena of life around us. Faith in God enables humans to be thankful for the blessings they enjoy, and to be patient in times of difficulty, for they believe that nothing can happen without His will. Faith in the Divine Being also prompts people to be more in tune with their souls and to maintain a constant connection through prayer, supplication, and reflection. Ultimately, faith enables them to develop a deeper vision, one which goes beyond the sight of their eyes and the signals of their minds.
              Without faith we fall into a state of despair; faith gives believers hope which makes them feel safe in this unpredictable world. In Islam, belief in God is the first step in securing this safety.
              A derivative of the word ‘amn’ is ‘amana’ which means honesty and trustworthiness. This word ties in neatly with the definition of faith as trust. From the context of religion, it implies that trusting in the words of God will lead one to find safety and security. This does not necessarily imply that it will keep people away from any harm or loss in their lives. Rather, it is referring to the spiritual safety net we fall back on during times of hardship – the knowledge that we are not alone and God’s wisdom is so much greater than our understanding. In the Quran, God says, “Allah is the Protector of those who have faith: from the depths of darkness He will lead them forth into light.” (2:257)
              To the skeptic, faith may be a restriction or a form of blind trust that gives people the permission not to think critically or rationalize. For them, faith is more like a convenient solution which keeps people from asking uncomfortable questions. Yet, humans are naturally inclined to believe in a higher power, which leads them on a quest for deeper meaning of their existence. As such, Islam encourages people to tap into this natural inclination so that they think and seek to comprehend, as evident from the countless references to “those who reflect” and “people of understanding” in the Quran.
              Indeed, inquiring and searching can actually guide one to the concept of ultimate faith in a higher deity through rationalization.
              Faith helps us conceptualize the meaning of our existence on earth. Humans err, and no matter how intelligent we are, we misjudge, mistake, and misunderstand. We can only see through the lenses of our own personality and experiences, and not how things truly are at times. We see our own realities, which ultimately makes it harder for us to discern ultimate truths on our own. Humans are intelligent – we can rationalize and follow the scientific method – but we have limits to where our minds can reach, to the extent the mind can grasp. These limitations make it necessary for us to have a framework to guide us on our journey here, which is precisely why having faith is so important. Islam urges this balance between asking questions and accepting that full comprehension is beyond the limited capacity of the human mind.

              Moreover, to think that there is nothing beyond this world and its harsh realities is too grim. For all those people who have had unfortunate circumstances plague their existence, or who are living well but are unaccountable, the absence of an afterlife would be unjust. It would eliminate the idea that we will be rewarded when we do good, or be punished when we do wrong. It would mean that what you lose in this life, you’ve lost forever.

              Faith in God and an afterlife, on the other hand, give us hope, positive energy and direction. They also internalize a moral framework; the awareness that God is watching even when no one else is, and will hold us accountable for our deeds, enables one to maintain an ethical and righteous lifestyle despite all odds.
              Prophet Muhammad once said, “Faith is to affirm your faith in God, His angels, His Books, His Messengers and the Last Day, and to believe in the Divine Destiny whether it be good or bad.” Aptly, these are called the “six articles of faith.” Each one is asking us to believe in something we have never seen or experienced before – the very essence of faith itself. The Quran also refers to those people who wish to see something visible or tangible in order to believe. “They say: ‘Why is not an angel sent down to him?’ If We did send down an angel, the matter would be settled at once, and no respite would be granted them.” (Quran 6:8) Therefore, the whole point of having faith is to believe in something unseen.

              Many things in life require a leap of faith, a decision you take in order to extend your experience or your asset without knowing the resulting impact with certainty. Having faith in the unseen and the unknown spiritually is definitely more challenging; after all, the outcome will be revealed only after we cease to exist in this life. Faith requires us to build a conceptual bridge from our material existence to an unknown destination and to journey through bravely. Perhaps this is why the results are expected to be far more rewarding.

        • Debbie Rhodes

          The Crusades were a drop compared to an ocean here.

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    • James McConnell

      Tea With a Terrorist – Manufacturing an Islamic Enemy to Distract the World Away From the Real Criminals and Crimes Against Humanity. https://www.facebook.com/groups/MAnufacturinganIslamicEnemy/
      http://www.healingheartssufidargah.com

    • James McConnell

      The Islamic Enemy is Wholly Manufactured to Keep Your Focus Off of the Real Criminals and the Real Crimes Against Humanity. ISIS is our enemy and so is everyone promoting it.

    • igttabme

      When do we say something? When the men are beheaded? The women? The children? What about the babies??If we say nothing we are part of the problem. What about the executions of children and toddlers. They cut their heads off people!!!!They are staging mass executions of Kurds on video including children!!They are murdering children with guns and beheading them the proof is in the pictures and videos all over the internet. I witnessed a 2 year old being led to her death with guns pointed at her as she is crying before they shoot her to death!! WHY!!!This reminds me of the inquisition that Muslims decry so much. If it was Christians murdering savagely beating and beheading children and babies I would hope all of the Christians would stand up and condemn this. The fact of the matter is you have a responsibility to your faith and society as a whole to condemn this on a daily basis. Apathy never helps anyone its gets them killed.

      • Jim Delaney

        You hit the core consideration for me. Thanks.

    • Jerry D

      This article is pure nonsense. For one thing, it took Obama’s speech totally out of context and instead focused exclusively on one sentence. But what really makes this article silly is its encouragement to throw the baby out with the bath water. The author alleges he is opposed to ISIS, but then solely because of what Obama said, he will no longer condemn them. And he is encouraging other Muslims not to condemn them either and stand by silently while they continue to commit crimes in the name of your religion. That strikes me as pure stupidity and a recipe for aggravating an already horrible situation.

      • Lamia

        It’s not mere stupidity. He’s basically a closet ISIS sympathiser – with all the fondness for cruelty and inhumanity that that entails – who is casting about for an excuse not to condemn them. I hope the never gets employed by any serious media outlet – he’d probably end up cutting a co-worker’s head off.

    • Angel Grace

      Bottom line…It matters not a person’s religious choice. ISIL is making an attack on humanity and something needs to be done. Humans came long before religion and respect for human life should be a priority over any religion.Since Muslims understand the Quran better than their “Infidel” counterparts, then yes it makes sense that the people of Islam spearhead a solution to this. Reach out to the scholars, Imams anyone who has any leadership and find a solution. Muslims should speak up because like it or not, ISIL is using their scripture to vindicate their actions. Obama doesn’t want to take a lot of action because everyone will cry about the USA getting in their business again in the middle East. If he does take full initiative, then everyone will cry that he is being racist against Muslims. He didn’t start this insanity. Maybe the USA should just stand back and let the Middle East figure out the insanity and may the best people win – or not. Reach out within your communities and let your youngsters know that ISIL does not and has not represented what ISLAM is. The non Muslim people cannot do that for the obvious, so yes it is high time to be proactive and share your knowledge. Use whatever propaganda you can to turn this around…

      • Aasiyah Sattar

        I totally agree with most of what you’ve posted, its no longer a religious war, but an attack on humanity. What non-muslims are oblivious to, is that we Muslims started speaking out against ISIS a year ago when their first attack occurred. But this Islamophobic hatred which spread like wild fire, Muslims constantly had to justify and defend ourselves and our religious beliefs against the rest of the world. Whether it concerned our holy book or our Islamic attire, and when we agreed that ISIS were murderers we were mocked at & labelled a satanic cult
        Muslims around the world united against ISIS last year already, right now there’s a war where Muslims from all over the world united in Syria fighting a war against ISIS but the westonised media wouldn’t show you that would it..There’s Muslim women as young as 26 years old with their husbands and children from my country in a war against ISIS. Whereas the rest of the world stands aside and continue to spread Islamic hatred on social networks. Competing who can spread the most fear or the most gruesome fictitious information against my religion. As the war against muslims continue each day around their own communities amongst neighbours, no one is vigilant enough to see that we fight a different war. For the sake of humanity, without any controversy against non muslims who are paying dearly with their lives, there are muslim women who has been mocked at continuously for their Islamic attire risking their lives at this very moments.
        A small but growing number of young Muslim women have joined an estimated 20,000–31,500 ISIS fighters in Iraq and Syria. About 10 percent of foreign recruits from Europe, North America and Australia are women. Of these approximately two hundred women and girls, the majority are believed to be between the ages of eighteen and twenty-five. Seventy women are thought to have come from France, sixty from the United Kingdom, and scattered numbers from other European nations and from Canada. Two American women from Denver and Minneapolis have probably joined the group as well.
        Let me ask you as a female, would you risk your home, family,life and worldly possession to save another person who is in another continent for the sake of humanity?
        That is what Islam is about, fighting against oppression is what God commands us to do, including women, not only for our Muslims, but for the creation of God, be it a tree or an animal..So do you still fear Shariah Law ? Do you still think you know what Islam is and what muslims beliefs are ?? Trust me when I say what you think you know about my religion is a grain of salt compared to the Mount Everest of what my beliefs consists of..
        Yet conversation on Islamophobic websites seems to be a matter of urgency in every “Westonised” country ,everyone awaits the fearful Shariah Law that could possibly ruin their westonized country.
        The British charity Active Change told BuzzFeed News that it launched a campaign muslims united against ISIS after the murder of photojournalist James Foley.
        Zahra Qadir, a spokesperson for the charity, said: “After finding out that James Foley had been beheaded and David Haines was next, we decided enough was enough and that we must take action and take a stand to show the world they do not represent us Muslims. They will not kill in the name of Islam.”
        Qadir said that they were tired of all Muslims being labelled as terrorists because of the groups who commit terrorist acts.
        This is, of course, not the first time Muslims have spoken out against extremism.
        • The Muslim Council of Britain have condemned ISIS for their actions.
        • German Muslims unite to condemn ISIS.
        • French Muslim leaders denounce ISIS brutality.
        • Indonesian Muslim Leaders Condemn ISIS.
        • Australian Muslims set up the Facebook page ‘Australian Muslim Faces’ so they could “speak for themselves”.

        2 Aug 2014
        by MARY CHASTAIN

        More Muslims are speaking out against the Islamic State (IS), formerly known as ISIS. Two Muslim leaders in Indonesia condemned the group and those who support it, while the Supreme Religious Authority in Iraq asked the world to help the country fight the jihadists.
        Men from Indonesia in IS released a recruitment video on July 24, but two prominent Muslim leaders are urging Muslim men not to join the radical jihadists.
        “The public have to be critical. This is not about [establishing] a Caliphate [Islamic State]; but [a group] working for its own cause and gains from a sectarian issue,” said Nahdlatul Ulama executive council chair, Slamet Effendy Yusuf.
        The Nahdlatul Ulama is one of the largest Islamic organizations in the world and concentrates on traditional Islam. It funds schools and hospitals but is also active in politics. Muhammadiyah, an organisation with 29 million members, is more modern, well-known for educational activities, and avoids politics. Secretary Abdul Mu’ti said ISIS does not represent Islam.
        Muslims Are Speaking Out Against ISIS To Say: You Do Not Represent Us
        Sick and tired of how they are being represented in the mainstream, these young British Muslims have launched a #NotInMyName social media campaign.
        Muslim activists are sharing photos with the hashtag #NotInMyName on Twitter and Instagram to send a clear message that ISIS does not speak for them.
        10 Mar 2015
        … Iraqi Prime Minister calls on Muslim world to unite in fight against ISIS …
        Jordan, has sent 20 fighter jets to bomb eastern Syria since last Thursday, its biggest air operation since the 1967 six-day war.
        “Our hearts are bleeding with sadness and anger,” Queen Rania said on Monday. “My country, Jordan, is facing the crisis with patience, faith, and a determination to fight terrorism and exact retribution from those committing the most heinous and brutal atrocities of our time.”
        As for your prophetic view of Obama did you know that :
        Barack Obama announced that the U.S. had begun bombing Syria, the seventh Muslim majority state to be targeted in his six year term.
        Obama, was stated by Kissinger could become that world leader to bring peace to the middle east. During Obama’s campaign and his election, the voice of many hoping for “Peace” & “Safety”, and his promise to fulfil that hope, has lead to anarchy and destruction, in complete opposite of what he promised..
        According to the Los Angeles City Attorney’s office in 2003, one-third of victims of Islamic hate crime are under the age of 18
        According to the FBI, anti-Islamic incidents were the second least reported hate crimes prior to 9/11, but following 9/11, they became the second highest reported among religion-bias incidents. From pre-9/11 to post-9/11, a growth of 1600% took place.
        According to the LACCHR’S 2003 report, many immigrant groups including Asians, Middle Easterners and Latinos, are likely to under-report hate crimes against them for several cultural reasons, such as reluctance to contact authorities, lack of familiarity with hate crime laws, etc.
        As of January 2002, the Intergroup Clearinghouse reports that there have been more than 1,700 cases of discrimination against Arab Americans, Muslim Americans, Sikh Americans, and South Asian Americans.

        Yet there are no Islamic blogs or Islamic social networking sites where muslims spend their free time expressing their hatred on non muslim’s . Non muslims who’ve made it their righteous duty to physically attack, insult, mock and openly hate us and everything we stand for..
        Instead muslims are fighting a war against a terrorist group claiming to have the same religious beliefs. While the rest of the ” Westonised” non muslim countries sit in the comfort of their homes , yet its the non muslims that’s being massacred, crucified and brutally killed. If it wasn’t for our Islamic beliefs which requires every Muslim to have humility and be humble even to those who is against us, how easy would life have been for us to sit back and not care..
        Non – muslims all around the world were too busy hating us on social websites to notice..

        • Angel Grace

          Hello. No,I would never risk my home or family for any religion or ideology. I don’t need a book or prophet to tell me right from wrong and for those who have to have a book or prophet to do so,are not using their God given gift – their brains. Yes I read the news every day(Not fox news) and I have friends in the middle East. The bottom line is that nobody trusts each-other over there, so we may expect to see these wars continue whether we sit in our homes or stand beside those fighting. It will never end.

        • Angel Grace

          (Continued) My last response was short as I had to work. Yes, I am well aware of what’s going on in Syria because I have friends in Turkey and two adult children who have done 3 military tours now. There are women who are actually younger than 26 in the Kurdish military, and they need support, but when you have leaders like Recep Erdrogen ( who is Muslim) turning on them because he doesn’t want Kurds to have their own state,then what do you suggest? Turkey is suppose to be a “Modernized” country, but the leader wants things to go back to good old days where women cannot even smile in public. And yes, there are still stonings going on – secretly but its happening.If that’s all cool and good with you – then enjoy Islam, but don’t complain because others don’t want it in their country.Every day there are Muslims challenging the constitution trying to impose their “Religious rights” as permanent law. Sorry but our forefathers created the constitution to keep religion out of the mix and my forefathers fought like Hell so me and mine could live in peace without fear of being persecuted for their beliefs – and non beliefs. In certain “areas” of the Middle East, people get imprisoned and even killed if they renounce Islam..Will you tell me this is false? In Islam, it is okay for a Muslim man to marry a Jew or Christian (chaste woman) – but a Muslim woman must marry a Muslim man – have you ever wondered why?
          It’s because Muhammad was a Misogynist and women were(and still are in some countries) – simple vessels to bare children. You can deny this all you wish, but it’s true and it is real. The issues with the people in the Middle East and if you haven’t read lately – the majority happen to be Muslim. For those Muslims who do wants peace and harmony in the world,I tip my hat to them, but they are going to have a very hard time finding a happy balance among a majority who follow the old ideologies of Islam.

    • Lamia

      Condemning the genocidal mass murderers, torturers, slavers and rapists who comprise ISIS would come as naturally as breathing to any decent human being, Muslim or non-Muslim. Evidently Davide Mastracci is not a decent human being, but instead a rather creepy scumbag with a bit of ‘thing’ for ISIS that he can’t quite hide.

    • Papi chulo

      This is just how the world works. A significant percent of Muslims do think radically and are a danger to the rest of the world. You can’t be upset with the leaders of the world for doing their job and trying to lessen the threats of radicalism. Being a over sensitive hippie about it does nothing except make you seen as if your on ISILs side to the ignorant masses. Grow some balls.

    • constantine

      Instead I’d recommend you abandon your superstition and fairy tales, embrace atheism, and become a civilized human being; reject cult leaders like Jesus, Mohammed, Buddha, or Moses and embrace the light of pure reason devoid of any fictitious metaphysical contamination. All religion is barbaric and all followers of religion are barbarians; Christian, Hindu, Muslim, or Jew, it matters not, they are all equally worthy of our condemnation.

      If you reject superstition and embrace a view of the world devoid of gods, spirits, and prophets you will be recognized as a civilized human being worthy of rights and dignity. If you embrace an ideology of barbarism, if you embrace religion of any kind, you will rightly be treated as a barbarian and an enemy of civilization.

      God is dead. It’s time for the world to move on.

      • Aasiyah Sattar

        Atheist are like fish who doesn’t believe in the existance of water, ironic to find a man whose oblivious to every living thing on this universe on a website where every different religion comments..Although I always wanted to ask atheist this, when you walk around does every image that catches your eye, not existant too ? Do u guys believe that everything is an illusion or how does it work ? If that is the case, I just had an epiphany..If every atheist got together and donated their eyesight to the blind who would spend time In the appreciation to color, nature, and what ever is in their sight, just think what a better place the world would be (•͡.̮ •͡ ) ? You don’t need eyesight, its a total waste of anatomyy for al of you..think about it and take one for the human race..Ever heard the saying “guns don’t kill people, people kill people..Same applies to religion”

        • O. Locke

          muslims are like fish that don’t believe in water.

          god never spoke to a man and told him to rape a pre-pubescent child. Horses do NOT fly and never have, and stones don’t run away with people’s clothes.

          LOL!

          to be a muslim you MUST believe in ALL of those things or you are NOT a muslim. western countries can weed out the extremists by asking if people actually believe any of that ignorant garbage.

          I won’t comment on athiests they are meaningless.

    • Tamara Hussey Jewer

      This article is not true, actually…it’s too bad you see things through a teensy peephole. How about you check facts about the massive amount of violence for no reason at all, and gruesome violence at that, in every nation that Muslims move to, and only after they arrive and start to be sufficient numbers for some of them to take courage to wage “jihad” on their “non Muslim neighbors”. MOST of the people being killed by Muslims are NOT Muslims. It is both ill-informed, egocentric, and highly psychopathic to NOT see that being Islamic IS a threat to nonMuslims most of all. The death toll of nonMuslims at the hand of what you term “Muslim-outiers)” is such that there are LEGITIMATE concerns about having ANY Muslims in nonMuslim nations. The majority of deaths at the hands of these “Muslim-outiers” are not Muslims…for hundreds of thousands of Arab Christians and nonMuslims are killed by Muslims in Iraq each and every year and NOT ONE of those Muslims is part of a terrorist group! So you start to see REALITY and then we’ll talk…